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		<title>Home Hunting in Haikou</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Mar 2011 14:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I thought I had a decent amount of apartment hunting experience, but Haikou was beginning to kick my ass. The problem is a simple one &#8212; pretty much all the decent apartments are owned by Mainlanders, and so most potential landlords are either not here or here but on their way off the island until &#8230;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought I had a decent amount of apartment hunting experience, but Haikou was beginning to kick my ass. The problem is a simple one &#8212; pretty much all the decent apartments are owned by Mainlanders, and so most potential landlords are either not here or here but on their way off the island until nicer weather returns later in the year.</p>
<p>This causes a lot of rather flaky agents, as they frequently have outdated, or completely wrong information.</p>
<p>Fortunately I had read <a href="http://mouseneb.livejournal.com/23107.html">Nicki&#8217;s excellent primer on renting in Haikou</a> and so had prepared myself as best I could for a challenging go.</p>
<p>Take this little tidbit:</p>
<blockquote><p>When we were negotiating the rent with my last landlord, he mentioned he wanted to keep the use of the smallest bedroom. &#8220;I just want a place I can nap in the afternoons&#8221;, he explained. &#8220;I&#8217;ll be quiet, you won&#8217;t even know I&#8217;m there!&#8221; We explained that we&#8217;d be using all the rooms, and we couldn&#8217;t agree. Luckily, he didn&#8217;t insist.</p></blockquote>
<p>When I read that I laughed and figured it was just one eccentric landlord, but in talking to another friend here he confirmed his girlfriend&#8217;s place has a locked room reserved for the landlord&#8217;s secret cache of treasure (which, as best he can tell, is a 100 kuai peddle bike).</p>
<p>Then today, sure enough, we had to turn down a showing by a landlord that wanted to, yep, keep a room for his own private use.</p>
<p>If it&#8217;s not the landlords, it&#8217;s the agents. I&#8217;m fortunate that Maggie is a bit of a dragon lady when it comes to apartment hunting, having gained much experience from a series of rapid fire moves over the last couple years in Suzhou. Still, despite her very clear instructions on our price range/size/payment limits, we continually had to harshly cull the agents&#8217; lists of showings, which included virtually every apartment on their roster that even remotely smelled of what we might be looking for.</p>
<p>We thought we had struck lucky when the first apartment we looked at on our first day of hunting was perfect. The open concept apartment had a bar, a loft room, and a backyard with palms installed specifically for hammock usage. That and the owner was a dog loving father of two. So after a few cursory peeks at other apartments on our agent&#8217;s list, we headed back to finalize the details only to learn that the landlord wanted 1 year (eventually dropped to 6 months) of rent up front, and a 5000 RMB deposit.</p>
<p>As much as we loved the apartment, there was just no way we were going to hand over 33,000 RMB (nearly $5K) to a stranger. I understand the landlord&#8217;s desire for security, and their need for convenience as they were leaving the island for the Mainland and wouldn&#8217;t be back for 6 months or so, but that put entirely too many of my balls in their <del>grip</del> court.</p>
<p>We returned to our temp. accommodations a bit physically and mentally worn down. Rain kept us indoors yesterday, and so we took the opportunity to regroup and hit things full force today. We checked out a few places of wildly varying degrees of livability (oddly, for virtually the same prices) and happened to stumble into accidentally re-visiting a place we saw our first day. At the time we liked it but didn&#8217;t pay much attention to it as we had our hearts set on the place with the bar and the yard &#8212; lesson learned.</p>
<p>The second time around though we realized it was a bit of a gem. At 144 sqm (1550 sq ft.), the 3-bedroom place is a great size. The 2500 RMB price tag, while a little bit more expensive than some of the other places we saw, is a solid 500 RMB/mo. cheaper than what we were paying in Suzhou for about 115 sqm. What&#8217;s more, it&#8217;s brand-spanking new. Not just sort of new, but never-been-lived-in new. The owners purchased the place about 4 years ago, but only a couple months ago decorated it, so we&#8217;ll be the first tenants.</p>
<p>And if all that wasn&#8217;t enough, the nearest gate to our apartment exiting the community backs on to the sea, and we&#8217;re only a couple blocks from the park I mentioned in <a href="http://www.ryan-mclaughlin.com/blog/china-travel/haikou/homeless/">my last post</a>.</p>
<p>There are a couple downsides; the biggest being that it is in a rather barren part of the city, with the nearest collection of shops/banks/restaurants about a 20 minute walk away, and the nearest supermarket a taxi ride away.</p>
<p>Really though, with Haikou being as small as it is, a 20 minute walk &#8212; or, more likely, a 5 kuai <span class="pytooltip" title="A motorized rickshaw">bengbeng che</span> ride, for restaurants versus a 5 minute walk to the sea seems like a nice trade-off.</p>
<p>And so we signed the contract and forked over a nice fat stack of Maos this afternoon. We are no longer homeless!</p>
<p>The apartment is coming mostly furnished, but hasn&#8217;t been yet, so all that&#8217;s being done tomorrow &#8212; new TV, mattresses, AC units, washing machine, fridge, screens, etc., are all being put in. We&#8217;ll then head over later in the day and check things out and gather up the keys.</p>
<p>Knowing that things don&#8217;t always go as planned, we&#8217;ll be holding our breath until then, but if all goes to spec, we&#8217;ll be moved in tomorrow night, or Friday morning &#8212; just in time for our stuff shipped from Suzhou to arrive.</p>
<p>Assuming we can sort out Internet quickly, my next post will either be a series of pictures/video of the new place, or a massive rant. I&#8217;m hoping for pictures and video.</p>
<p>&#8211;</p>
<p>Oh! These photos are from a rather amazing community here in Haikou called Jiangnan Cheng, which is designed to look very much like a classical Suzhou garden. Turns out that my worries about not finding apartments like in Suzhou was unfounded <img src='http://www.ryan-mclaughlin.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><a title="Suzhou in Haikou (Jiangnan Cheng)" rel="lightbox" href="http://www.ryan-mclaughlin.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/suzhou-in-haikou-01.jpg"><img src="http://www.ryan-mclaughlin.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/suzhou-in-haikou-01.jpg" alt="" title="Suzhou in Haikou (Jiangnan Cheng)" width="600" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-2647" /></a></p>
<p><a title="Suzhou in Haikou (Jiangnan Cheng)" rel="lightbox" href="http://www.ryan-mclaughlin.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/suzhou-in-haikou-02.jpg"><img src="http://www.ryan-mclaughlin.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/suzhou-in-haikou-02.jpg" alt="" title="Suzhou in Haikou (Jiangnan Cheng)" width="600" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-2648" /></a></p>
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		<title>Our Apartment in Suzhou SIP (video/photos)</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 09:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[As I mentioned a couple weeks back, we&#8217;re moving to a new apartment at the end of the month. As it is fully furnished (I&#8217;ve yet to rent an apartment here that isn&#8217;t &#8211; though some call into question the definition of &#8220;fully&#8221;), yesterday we had to head over to the new place and meet &#8230;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I mentioned a couple weeks back, <a href="http://www.ryan-mclaughlin.com/blog/2008/05/21/movin-on-up-to-the-first-floor/">we&#8217;re moving to a new apartment</a> at the end of the month.</p>
<p>As it is fully furnished (I&#8217;ve yet to rent an apartment here that isn&#8217;t &#8211; though some call into question the definition of &#8220;fully&#8221;), yesterday we had to head over to the new place and meet with the landlady and realtor to make an itemized list of all the goodies the apartment comes with.</p>
<p><a rel="lightbox [sip]" href="http://www.ryan-mclaughlin.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/sip-apt01.jpg" title="Living Room"><img src="http://www.ryan-mclaughlin.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/sip-apt01.jpg" alt="SIP Apartment" class="photor" align="right" width="200px" /></a>We had been somewhat nonchalant about getting it done, but the realtor impressed upon us the importance, as they&#8217;ve had landlords walk out with major appliances before the tenant moves in, and then deny they were ever in the agreement.</p>
<p>Things didn&#8217;t start off great, as on our arrival the first order of business was the issue of the extended cable (or satellite, I&#8217;m still not clear which it is) TV the owner of the apartment had already pre-paid for.</p>
<p>Maggie watches the odd show on Chinese TV, but mostly we get our fill from TV-on-DVD and so don&#8217;t have much need for even the basic cable package. As such, when the landlady informed us we were going to be required to pay an additional 210 RMB/mo., we were a bit annoyed.</p>
<p><a rel="lightbox [sip]" href="http://www.ryan-mclaughlin.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/sip-apt02.jpg" title="Dining Room"><img src="http://www.ryan-mclaughlin.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/sip-apt02.jpg" alt="SIP Apartment" class="photol" align="left" width="175" /></a>She explained that we get HK MTV, CINEMAX, and some other all-caps names I recognized (CNN, BBC, etc.) and it was well worth the money. We explained we didn&#8217;t care, and if it was a payment we <strong>must</strong> make, it should have been outlined in the contract or at least discussed before we agreed to take the apartment.</p>
<p>That seemed to give her enough to go back to the owner with and say &#8220;hey, I tried&#8221;, as she quickly conceded and said it was no big deal.</p>
<p>Looks like we&#8217;ve got free cable.</p>
<p><a rel="lightbox [sip]" href="http://www.ryan-mclaughlin.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/sip-apt03.jpg" title="Kitchen - well, half of it."><img src="http://www.ryan-mclaughlin.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/sip-apt03.jpg" alt="SIP Apartment" class="photor" align="right" width="175" /></a>Other than that, it was mostly just a lot of walking around and turning things on. I&#8217;ve noticed there&#8217;s a bit of an obsession with kicking the tires in this country. Not to say it&#8217;s not a completely practical thing to do, but it just seems to be taken to the extreme. Supermarkets have official testing stations where you can make sure your tea kettle or DVD player turns on. It&#8217;s always just left me wondering how useless a shop&#8217;s return policy is.</p>
<p>And in the case of our apartment, instead of putting my mind at ease by showing me everything works, it just made me wonder if this was going to be the grounds by which my landlord would eventually put on us that we should be the ones buying the new A/C unit: &#8220;Hey, it worked when you moved in.&#8221;</p>
<p>Getting a bit bored of following Maggie around and watching her turn on taps &#8211; and listing to the landlady explain to us the fantastic quality of the fixtures, I made a little video tour of our place.</p>
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<p>We&#8217;ve not started packing yet, but have to admit, we&#8217;re both pretty geared to move. Though I&#8217;m sure the feeling of the place will change after we&#8217;ve lived in the neighbourhood a while, walking around the place now feels like we&#8217;re on vacation at some Floridian condo resort.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re shooting to have a house-warming BBQ shortly after moving in, so any readers in Suzhou (or better yet, in the neighbourhood), you&#8217;re welcome to swing by.</p>
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